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Aron:
Arguments for reducing the position
- Completely new team that are yet to prove themselves: ‣ (30%)
- Negative user trends and industry decline: Match Group User and Engagement Trends (20%)
- Relying on prices to compensate payer decline may not be sustainable due to threat from rivals: ‣ (10%)
- Further deterioration in earnings may impact its ability to pay back the term loan of $589 million (as at September 2025 in January 2027) plus interest payments of around $50 million per year: ‣ (10%)
- It’s better to buy a good company at a fair price than to buy a bad company cheaply (Buffet’s words). Waiting until trends improve before buying more or having a large position may be better.(5%)
- I expect further price pressure due to the risks surrounding the company. (5%)
- The TRA buyout which carried 50% discount and whose payments ($27-59 million per year for 15 years) could signal that insiders are cautious on the company’s future profitability? [Aron’s assessment: The TRA buyout which carried 50% discount and whose payments ($27-59 million per year for 15 years) could signal that insiders are cautious on the company’s future profitability?](https://curved-newsboy-c80.notion.site/Aron-s-assessment-The-TRA-buyout-which-carried-50-discount-and-whose-payments-27-59-million-per--2a2950cb737780d583c7d1d0578ee03a) (5%)
- Possibility of multiple app usage by users, leading to faster churn. According to Apptopia data, 50% of Bumble users are in Tinder while 22% of Tinder user are in Bumble. (5%)
- Blackstone could be preparing to dispose of its stake by converting its entire common units into Class A Common Stock. This could drive share price down further: ‣
Arguments against reducing position
- Wolf Herd being the founder will do whatever it takes to turn around the company including further cost reductions (i.e. layoffs) if necessary (35%)
- Wolfe Herd now seems to control 62 % of Bumble’s total voting power after Blackstone converted its entire common units into Class A Common Stock as of November 5, 2025: ‣
- Possibility of large reversion in payer declines once safety and trust measures are complete next year. 80% of the decline in payers in Q4 (-16%) was due to the trust and safety measures and reduction in marketing expense: Cook: Q3 payer decline driven by Trust and safety work and reduction in marketing spend (contributed approximately 80%).→where is the other 8% decline coming from? (20%)
- The Beehive Fit Framework may ultimately lead to higher quality platform, enabling Bumble to increase prices further: User Quality Segmentation (15%)
- Better match-making through AI, leading to higher ARPU. (15%)
- First-mover advantage in women app dating. (10%)
- $100 million costs savings next will largely compensate the decline in revenue: The $100 cost base savings so far include approximately $40 million related to the June workforce reduction. (5%)
- Around $26 million savings from alternative payment systems: Bumble tailwind from alternative billing system
- I think the possibility of losing a lot of users to Hinge might be low given the strong psychological moat: Bumble declining user trends, dating fatigue in Gen Z. Payer shrink 15%+ a year
- If our conviction on the long-term opportunity is strong then share price headwind in the short term is just noise!
Conclusions
My current take is to reduce the position. I think the risks are a lot which would put share price under pressure in the short-term.
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MM
Arguments for reducing the position
- The risk of Hinge feels real. Could be a headwind in the next years. Potentially if word of mouth for Hinge is strong many users (esp. woman with serious intent) switch. [Bumble is behind on tech and how appealing it is. This could lead to situation in which more and more people (esp. woman) migrate to Hinge and Bumble looses users Bumble declining user trends, dating fatigue in Gen Z. Payer shrink 15%+ a year ← Bumble could get fast-mover advantage in AI Matchmaker (where the industry is heading)](https://curved-newsboy-c80.notion.site/Bumble-is-behind-on-tech-and-how-appealing-it-is-This-could-lead-to-situation-in-which-more-and-mor-2a3950cb737780958726cd15fd0baf25) + new app launch of Bumble is postponed. (35%)
- The 600m loan bothers me. If user numbers go down Bumble might loose it’s ability to service or extend it! ‣ (15%)
- There are a lot of execution risks (build new app platform, new management, the CEO not burning out etc.) If the company runs into trouble at those fronts the risk is real. (25%)
- Negative user trends and sentiment for dating overall. (20%)
- Bad quarter in terms of outlook, TRA settlement ← Both increase risks ‣ (5%)
- If confidence is not high enough maybe there should be no or a smaller position. Otherwise it is too much of a gamble. (But one with interesting upside potential) ← It’s a bit like investing in startups, you bet on a founder
Arguments against reducing position
- Ai potential + The upsides feels significantly larger than the downside and the business is relatively cheaply valued (35%)
- Founder + strategy + longterm vision feel great overall (25%) - Founder done it before.
- See some signs of good execution e.g new brand campaign, app is working (+ also some new functions in the app like compliments, app feels stable, many users in Malta) (10%)
- Potential for increasing ARPUS. E.g. via new monetization functions etc. etc. or simply higher prices to counterbalance user loss. (10%)
- Probably company can keep cutting costs + raising prices if needed (10%)
- Many men who pay use multiple dating apps in parallel and pay for all of them (?)← Theory (5%)
- Unlikely that company marketcap falls as low as 300m?! (2$ a share) ← Theory. (5%). Stock price is down already too much.
- Potential feels exciting. Somehow i (MM) want to have a part of it (5%)
Conclusion
MM: I decided to not reduce the position. It’s a small position and most important criteria: founder + execution + technological revolution / accelerator (ai) + cheap valuation - in total some of the most important criteria of my successful investments in the past are still intact.
So willing to take a risk here with a small position and increase instantly if we see signs of sustained turnaround.
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Further ToDos
- [ ] Model different scenarios (in which revenue goes down) to see how profitability behaves in those scenarios
- [x] Confirm when loan will be due and interest payments: ‣
In future aim to make such decisions early to avoid being caught up by market movements!
Before earnings: Make a decision on whether to buy or sale before immediately the results are out